EP 10 with Julieta about the pursuit of our path
Raquel Sands (0:4,176)
Hello and welcome to the Design+ podcast! In this episode, I’m joined by my friend and former colleague Julieta Ocampo -Giraldo. She is a program communication specialist at Tecnoserve, a government agency, a non-profit agency, where she coordinates communication and media strategies to share her stories and ideas. Thank you very much, Juliet. Thank you very much for coming.
Juliet (0:29.229)
Thank you Raquel, it is a pleasure to have this conversation with you and I am very happy to be invited to your space.
Raquel Sands (0:40.208)
Thank you, not thank you. And I should say to everyone this will be a Spanish Spanglish podcast episode. So for those of you who do not speak Spanish or Spanglish or anything like that, there will be an English transcribed translation in the show notes so you all can read that afterwards. So one question, Julieta, that I am asking everyone is what is a medium, a book, a show, it can be anything that you...
that helped you, that inspired you, that positively changed your life.
Juliet (1:14,959)
Well, I think that to talk about those media or those inspirations I kind of have to refer to the things that I have consumed lately because I feel that each thing that one consumes changes one's perspective on life and things in one way or another. So, I don't know, just recently I read a memoir by an artist I admire a lot called Marina Abramovich.
Raquel Sands (1:25,584)
Hmm
Raquel Sands (1:31,984)
It's true, it's true.
Juliet (1:44,239)
and this memoir is called Walk Through the Walls and it is a bit like a story from her perspective as a woman, about her work, about the things that have moved her, that have motivated her, like a super inspiring behind the scenes about, well, her work as a performance artist and well, it had a very positive impact on me because I realized that each of the little things
Raquel Sands (2:1,712)
Thank you!
Juliet (2:14.144)
that were part of her upbringing, of her life, and they contribute in a very rich way to who she is as an artist, right? So, it kind of gives a very important validation to all that history and that suitcase that we bring as human beings and how that gives it a nice tint or an... an edge to what we do.
Raquel Sands (2:33,552)
Yes Yes Yes.
Raquel Sands (2:42,032)
Yes. And is that a book or is it a book for me to also sort of investigate and get into that too?
Juliet (2:50,958)
Yes, it is a book, it is a book, it is a memoir that she wrote, I believe that with a ghostwriter, I don't know if she wrote it all, but nothing, it is a memoir that talks about her life, her loves, her heartbreaks, her traumas, her work and I don't know, I find it super transformative because it gives a very human perspective of what the artist is and in this case, she.
Raquel Sands (2:53,232)
That's what they told me. Ah, now, now, now.
Raquel Sands (3:8,656)
Hmm
Juliet (3:20,864)
as a human being and his work and I feel that nothing like it's cool not to idealize people and see them in their humanity and how their humanity informs a lot of their work so well
Raquel Sands (3:35.440)
And there is something like since, like since, that is, before when you started your professional path or there is something that inspired you in I don't know whether to get into communications, marketing or something beyond that I tell you, ok, this more or less is the path I want to take. Something like that that suddenly inspired you or...
Or did you watch someone else do it? I see you as an artist. We all have that artist thing too and you watched that or how you also started that a little bit.
Juliet (4:13.326)
Let's say that entering the topic of communications and marketing came somewhat naturally as I felt that it was something for which I had a certain type of facility or talent. So that was like one of the most important reasons for deciding to enter...
to the field of communications. That ease on the one hand and on the other hand because I also feel that words are very important and have a lot of power and the way we communicate and speak really shapes a lot of who we are. There is a journalist that I admire a lot called María Jimena Duzán and I think she was one of the great inspirations.
Raquel Sands (4:55.920)
it's true
Yeah.
Juliet (5:11.169)
to decide to enter communications as I always admired her way of writing, her courage to talk about things that were suddenly difficult and well she was an inspiration to continue exploiting that talent.
Raquel Sands (5:18,384)
Yeah
Wow.
Yeah.
Raquel Sands (5:29,264)
Yes. No, yes, it's true, it's true. The truth is that words have power because sometimes I... Well, we are bilingual, so it is different when I hear something in English and I can't... Because I am born in the United States, so when I hear a word in English and I can't exactly translate it into Spanish or vice versa, it's like, ah, but that's not exactly what I mean.
And it's something nice because it's like there is something, I don't know if it's secret, but it's like it has its magic in that, that everything has its meaning and there is a way to express it and also sometimes there are words that, well, like The word hate or hey, it is a word that seems very strong to me, I rarely use it because I say, at what point does one...?
really feel that, it's a very heavy word. So, I agree 100 that words really have... and they carry quite a bit of weight and... and I love that, I love that. I remember when I was a girl, my mom took me to a... well, here in the United States they are called like dollar stores or these thrift stores and I remember that...
That's where the whole path of reading and exploring the mind, thinking about other things began, and to this day I still follow that habit and I think it's very nice because there you can get, as you say, other inspirations. Suddenly you don't have access to your community, your culture, your family. Suddenly they weren't looking at that example.
about being an artist, about traveling or whatnot, and through books or words one can explore other things. And yes, it also fascinates me, I think it's nice and on the other hand it's a little sad that people no longer read what I see so much on the networks or in shows. I think there's something nice about, I don't know, putting a little effort into...
Juliet (7:35.055)
No no,
Raquel Sands (7:45,584)
Work your mind a little more. Yeah.
Juliet (7:47,663)
Yes, I think it has a lot to do with the transformation that exists in terms of the attention we have and that we can dedicate something to it because a book needs your complete attention and it is like a big commitment of time to sit down and read, many They are long. So, in a time where each time the content we consume comes more and more as short and is...
Raquel Sands (8:9,264)
Yeah.
Juliet (8:17.711)
It is a different way that I believe is changing a lot the way we read, consume, inform ourselves, and learn.
Raquel Sands (8:26,064)
And from there I want to bring up this topic of, well, I talk a lot on the podcast about career, wellness, a little bit of everything, because for me I believe that everything is involved. It's not easy or for me it shouldn't be like everything is divided. This is the career, this is health, because I feel that my career affects my health. In other words, if I am working 12 hours, what health am I going to have? What lifestyle am I going to have?
And if I'm working so much, what relationships, what capacity am I going to be able to really engage in strengthening my relationships if I'm always at work? Or things like this. I like to talk a little about everything. So, a question I also wanted to bring up is, what do you think or what has helped you sort of guide you through all this of developing your career and?
I suppose your health, your relationships when suddenly there is no time or no focus you have to do everything and once you feel a little lost and what has helped you what advice or what experiences do you recommend that people can take or experience to guide themselves a little more.
Juliet (9:47.502)
Well, I think that what has been most important in this process in terms of balance between career, personal life, professional development, well everything has been the issue of working on limits and those limits are worked through how, I don't know, I feel that As therapy it has been very important because I realized that when...
We didn't have the tools or I didn't have the tools or the capabilities to set limits, for example, on my work hours, right? Like I was entering into dynamics where I felt that I was being exploited in some way, but I didn't realize that that, that power was not simply held by the person who was giving me the job, but that I also had it, to say, well. , no, it's just not anymore, no, no, no
Raquel Sands (10:34,640)
No.
Juliet (10:47.170)
I can, I'm not available. Like the fact that I am working here does not mean that you are the owner and lord of my time 100%. So I think learning about limits and also how that confidence of saying well it's not that the body is telling me this or that so I have to honor this and set a limit here. I think that you also learn that how...
Raquel Sands (10:47.440)
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Raquel Sands (10:55.216)
Sure, sure, sure.
Raquel Sands (11:1,968)
Hmm...
Raquel Sands (11:6.928)
Yes Yes.
Raquel Sands (11:13.008)
Yeah.
Juliet (11:15.664)
in a sometimes difficult way, in the difficult, hard way, because it is not easy to say no, especially when there are organizational cultures that demand certain things from us, but there is also always the decision to leave there. So yeah, I think the limits.
Raquel Sands (11:18.544)
Yes Yes.
Raquel Sands (11:29.168)
Yes Yes...
Raquel Sands (11:37,072)
Yes, no, I am, I think so, because in reality I believe that society does not help, I mean, I don't know about other parts of the world, but at least in the United States, I suppose in Europe, it's like go go , suddenly in Europe, because they do have it right, with the 4-day work week and all that, we are behind here, then, but it is that thing of go go go, that is, things have to be already and one you always have to...
Juliet (11:56.304)
Yeah.
Raquel Sands (12:6.064)
When I don't know how that expression goes, when the boss says jump, one says how high and one has to be aware of what the expectations of others are and one, and I also feel that it is like one, I don't know if obsesses but like he looks for that career so much that just as one says he no longer feels
OK, but my body is really telling me that I'm already over. And well, it doesn't help that the offices, the managers, don't implement, they don't create that environment of balance. Then I do not know. I know that when I was also at Tecnoser, I loved work from home, for that same reason.
Juliet (12:36.657)
and all the rest.
Juliet (13:0.688)
Yes Yes Yes. Likewise, the issue of Work From Home also needs and requires a certain type of maturity to mark the differences between when it is time to rest, when it is time to work, when it is important to have a structure because if not everything becomes like...
Raquel Sands (13:2.480)
Yeah.
Raquel Sands (13:12,976)
Yeah.
Juliet (13:25.360)
the same somewhat strange thing and it is the same place where you rest, where you work, where you share time with your family, so I think it has its pros but there are also cons in which you can also be very isolated and secluded and it is also done as ...
Raquel Sands (13:26.192)
Yeah?
Raquel Sands (13:33,072)
Yeah.
Raquel Sands (13:40,400)
Yeah
Juliet (13:45.423)
challenging to connect with coworkers so yes I think it has its pros and cons
Raquel Sands (13:49.040)
with company... it's true... yes... yes... with... yes, no, I also agree, I think that well, the truth is that about COVID, about the pandemic, I think that for the great the majority seemed to show or open this door of... oh now you can work like this because well we have technology, we have access.
but in reality people are not implementing that or as much as they suddenly can and yes, no, I think there are, as you say, pro-cons. The truth is, I miss working more at home because I think I am someone who is introverted, I like my naps. , I like my naps, well, walking with my dogs and everything and that's part of health, I mean, all that sometimes isn't...
part of the benefits of the job, but if you look for a job like that, you already have those benefits hidden there because you get a job that gives you a little flexibility. And yes, and well, other questions, let me see my notes quickly. Being Latina, talking about culture a little.
I don't know if it's languages or things like that, but have you seen any trends, like me too, as someone born here, have you been something... The truth is I haven't seen many Latinas professionally and recently, that is, my career, after 10 years, I see more women... be they immigrants or like me.
And it's incredible.
Juliet (15:48.689)
No no,
Juliet (16:1.682)
No no,
Raquel Sands (16:7.184)
Corporate America, all this... Yes, now, I'll leave the question there. How have you navigated all of this?
Juliet (16:15.634)
Well, I feel that...
Yes, it has been difficult, especially because what you say, there are not many references from which you can draw inspiration, you can say this is possible on the one hand. On the other hand, there are also many personal insecurities because let's say that English is not your mother tongue always puts an obstacle there.
Raquel Sands (16:48.048)
Hmm
Juliet (16:48.229)
in front, let's say, of insecurity about what you know, what you have to contribute. Let's say that another important challenge is the issue, for example, of cultural differences, right? As... Yes, as cultural differences of us being a little closer, more cheerful and suddenly the Americans, the gringos a little less, more distant.
Raquel Sands (17:3.920)
Yes Yes.
Raquel Sands (17:11.632)
Yes Yes.
Raquel Sands (17:16.528)
They haven't put me in.
Juliet (17:18.085)
and I also don't know how to feel weird because I don't understand 80% of the references or the jokes or the things so it's like I don't know if I'm here if there's room for me. It's been, let's say, like a whole process. I just started a job in corporate. America I was in a group
Raquel Sands (17:27,568)
Yes Yes Yes...
Juliet (17:47.942)
It was a bit of a mix, I had Latin classmates and American classmates, so that kind of helped me a little to let go and believe in myself more, like it didn't make me so sad. And let's say after entering I was in that job for more or less four and a half years.
Raquel Sands (17:50.672)
Okay.
Raquel Sands (18:4,464)
Yeah.
Juliet (18:13.109)
And upon entering TecnoSurf, which is an environment that I feel is super American, I am very grateful for having had that kind of mixed experience before, because once again, this vocabulary of Corporate America is something I already have. a little more internalized. And well, I feel that he has been preparing me to play the role I play now, to believe in...
Raquel Sands (18:19,536)
Yeah.
Juliet (18:43.015)
in my capabilities, in my abilities to do the work I do in communications. It's like a double challenge to write and think about communications in English, right? For me, then, well, it has been a very pleasant and very important learning to believe in myself, to believe in my abilities and that I have something good to contribute.
Raquel Sands (18:51.152)
Yeah.
Raquel Sands (18:55.696)
In a year without...
Raquel Sands (19:8.496)
Yes, no, yes, exactly. And well, there is a lot to comment on there. I mean, because I think there are so many things culturally, like being Latina, being an immigrant, being Colombian, because I think that like the sombre, the umbrella of Latino is so diverse. That is, someone who now they say is Afro-Latin or is from South America or from... my parents are from Central America, but I grew up in Miami, so my way of speaking is...
something more Caribbean, it's not Salvadoran at all, so it's like it's already looking different, but my question before getting into all that, before I forget the question, how did you take the risk? I mean, how did you make the decision? Or what was the inspiration to say, okay, now, like I don't know if I'm going to apply or try to get into Corporate America?
But how did you decide to kind of enter that world suddenly knowing that there was going to be some discomfort. But you did it anyways. You still did it because, aha, how did you risk that? How did you make that decision?
Juliet (20:21.398)
Well, I believe that it is a migrant's decision to say, well, I have the capabilities to do a formal job, since only when I arrived, like many of the migrants who come to the United States, I did multiple jobs, I was a translator in courts, I worked in restaurants, I coordinated events in sales, that is, I also worked in researches
Raquel Sands (20:30,000)
Hmm
Raquel Sands (20:43.376)
Yeah.
Raquel Sands (20:48.176)
of everything.
Juliet (20:51.304)
doing interviews, so I did many different things, but while I was fulfilling each of their roles I felt a lot of uncertainty, instability, that I wanted stability and I felt that Corporate America was something that could give me that stability that I wanted, but obviously coming, Let's say that I migrated in a privileged situation because I spoke the language, because I had a university education.
Raquel Sands (20:55.088)
Yeah.
Raquel Sands (21:2,096)
Hmm
Raquel Sands (21:9.008)
Yes Yes.
that.
Raquel Sands (21:19.248)
already.
Juliet (21:21.160)
because he had permission to work too. So I kind of had some tools that were very useful to me, but it was literally like the need to move forward, to want to have stability and to take advantage of many of those tools that I felt I had to contribute. So, well, when I started on the path it was very difficult because, even though I had a university degree,
Raquel Sands (21:25.584)
there are things.
Raquel Sands (21:42.256)
Yeah I know.
Juliet (21:51.014)
Like those credentials here were like well and who are you, where do you come from, I don't know what this is. So in order to be able to enter the Corporate America system in one way or another, I had to go to university, do a certification in marketing, business, and through that certification I kind of built some credentials to start applying for jobs and That's how I turned out in this query.
Raquel Sands (21:55.312)
Yes Yes Yes.
Raquel Sands (22:8.720)
Wow...
Raquel Sands (22:15.824)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Juliet (22:20.870)
where I was for four long years.
Raquel Sands (22:24.688)
Wow, but I mean, that's a great job because people say it like I did this and this, but it's a great job, the effort, the money, the energy, everything and well the thing is that you don't even know that you don't. It is guaranteed that all those certificates will give you that one only does it because he knows that in corporate America they only look for papers one can get, I have a friend who got her degree in psychology
and he is being a software engineer and has nothing to do with it. I mean, it's like, OK, suddenly you need that psychology to influence people, to use technology. But no, yes, it is quite an effort. So, like a round of applause, right? Because it is enough, not everyone can do it or has access to it or wants to do it. And it says a lot about...
Juliet (22:57.557)
No no,
Juliet (23:4.182)
I don't know...
Juliet (23:10.549)
ha ha ha
Raquel Sands (23:21.456)
So yes, but the other thing I wanted to say is that there is a need, because I feel that, well, one thing that, being Latina, sometimes I have seen that, and not only suddenly Latina, but people who need they remain but comfortable and know that suddenly that job is not for them, it does not help them progress.
So I don't know if what advice or what do you think you would say to someone who or who out of necessity already know that or consciously that is no longer for them but they still stay for the convenience of being stable, settled. What advice or what would you tell them to continue fighting, progressing, trying something different?
Juliet (24:17.780)
Well let's say...
I don't have the truth in my hand, on the one hand, that is, I really respect the decision to also want to be stable. I really don't know what the path is. There are people who are more ambitious in some aspects, or less ambitious in other aspects, but I believe that what has always moved me and a question that
What takes me out of that comfort zone is always... well, nothing, like I'm letting myself be my maximum potential, right? As if I am putting everything of me into doing this activity, to carrying out this work, I am learning, I am growing. How to ask all those questions,
Raquel Sands (24:50.320)
Hmm
Raquel Sands (25:9,936)
Yeah.
Raquel Sands (25:14,736)
MMM
Juliet (25:19.094)
that talk a little about what your relationship is like with the role you are doing, with the work you have and review and ask yourself, well, no, yes, I'm comfortable, I'm fine, I don't want more, ok, it's fine, stay there or If you really feel that there is something that is missing, well, pay attention to that internal voice of ok, what would it be? AHA.
Raquel Sands (25:38,832)
Hmm
Raquel Sands (25:43.376)
Now yes, we have to... Aha. Yes, it's not true, yes, because... Yes, because it's difficult. I mean, going back a little to those books, I see a lot of self-help books and I have been one of them that, ok, I am collecting, I am reading everything so I can improve, to be, I don't know, the... the best person I can be or come to understand me more.
But it's hard to apply those things, it's hard to ask yourself, question yourself, look in the mirror and say, that's what I really want, what I really want. And on top of survival, that is, on top of, we're just doing the day to day, and on top of that, starting to ask is like another job. But hey, the ideal is that it comes out of oneself and that one looks for the best.
and that it is not an extra job. And then... Well... There goes my dog, I don't know if you can hear, there's my dog barking, she's also saying something. And well, returning to that a little more about the experience, the cultures and all that.
Juliet (26:43.444)
Exact.
Raquel Sands (27:5.168)
I also agree 100% because I love talking to different cultures, that is, people from different countries in Africa, different countries in Latin America, because I think that there you also feel more global, you feel more like It is not alone in your world, but you can learn more about others and yourself. And well, in TecnoServe or in other experiences, how has that experience of...
working with other cultures, what was shocking or what didn't surprise you or I don't know what that experience of working with other cultures has been like.
Juliet (27:48.180)
Let's say it's funny that you ask me that question because I think my role in the other job I had was different and what I call it is like International Affairs. So, let's say how working with other cultures and in other contexts what it does is that it puts you in a humble position of learning from others, which is what they have to...
Raquel Sands (28:0.816)
Okay oh.
Juliet (28:17.812)
to teach you what are the things you don't know, what are the contexts that inform their realities, their problems, their things. And I think that, let's say, one of the biggest challenges is always how to let go of the ego and the ideas that one has about others and the other who are in one way or another geographically distant and bringing us closer.
Raquel Sands (28:45.168)
Yeah.
Juliet (28:47.766)
and with humility to those realities. So I feel that this is an important challenge that comes with the issue of working in International Affairs, International Development. And it's like a little bit of fighting with that savior complex and really leaving room for people to be the ones in control.
Raquel Sands (29:3.216)
Hmm
Raquel Sands (29:9.200)
Yeah.
Juliet (29:17.686)
both the narrative and the programs that are implemented, as well as the stories that are told and I believe that there is an issue of ethics that, well, nothing, that it is a great personal challenge and that it is something about which each one individually and each one can work. So I would say that is the biggest challenge.
Raquel Sands (29:20.144)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Raquel Sands (29:41.776)
Yes No Yes. And talking a little about that and with Corporate America, because although here I think that looking, well, what my husband has told me, that he is Peruvian, that one coming here one believes that it is like everything, not I know if it's the best, but you kind of look at it differently now being here in this country. In terms of cultures, in terms of looking at people who come from...
They have different religions, ways of expressing themselves. It's different because suddenly, and even though I was born here, I only watched shows with gringos, with white people, and it shocked me when I visited El Salvador and they called me gringa because I say, OK, maybe yes, but no. I mean, yes, but no, please. And it's interesting because in corporate America,
One thing I always say and it has been like my that how do you say that the twist that little thing whenever I have left in the first job they asked me if I am a citizen because I have a little bit I don't even know what accent right but that's where the whites come out, they know when one is not a hundred and that's about the whole
Juliet (31:2.164)
Mm-hmm.
Raquel Sands (31:5.296)
of cultures. It has been interesting in Corporate America because they suddenly do not want to recognize or do not want to see that there are people who are from other countries, who are born here, but we bring our cultures. And it's shocking because how does one prepare for something like that?
Even if you get your degree, your study, but that is different from how to manage the environment and culture of the place. Have you had good managers or have you had good colleagues who have guided you or helped you? Or have you only made the jump alone and have you already tried to save yourself who can?
Oh how.
Juliet (32:5.940)
No, because I believe that the role of the two managers that I have had has been very important. Each one in his own way has been two men. But I feel that both of them have given me the chance to explore, they have given me space, they have had confidence in me and obviously what results is...
Raquel Sands (32:15,984)
and...
Juliet (32:35.894)
in growing, when they have the opportunity to have more responsibilities or take charge of projects that are important, like that there you also build that security that is necessary to, well yes, to strengthen the voice, to strengthen the confidence in the abilities and the attitudes you have.
Raquel Sands (33:4,656)
Yes Yes...
Juliet (33:5.814)
So I think that the role of my two managers, above all, is that it has been very gratifying to have someone like Nick, who is my manager now, guiding me because he is a person who has cared enough about my professional performance to give me space and opportunities to continue growing on topics that interest me, such as the intersection between climate change and
Raquel Sands (33:15.664)
Yes Yes.
Raquel Sands (33:23,088)
Yeah.
Juliet (33:35.734)
and discrimination against women, so it gives me projects related to that, or carbon markets, so I feel that it has been very important to have allies in the process of continuing to grow and taking those leaps.
Raquel Sands (33:38,576)
Yes Yes.
Raquel Sands (33:54,032)
Yes Yes.
Yes, no, 100%, because the truth is that it is difficult. I mean, one, I've always heard that word networking, right? If you know the people or suddenly meet that person, they can locate you or can help you, but if no one knows, how do you start, you kind of start little by little. And also another thing about applying for jobs, I always, well, I don't know if it is.
so secret or if it's so good or I don't know, but I always have a couple of friends who were colleagues, we all work together, we always support each other. Anything, no matter what job, they are there for... Yeah, Raquel is the best. And it's like having those allies because if it's not really difficult, like putting your foot in the door, it's difficult, especially when...
Juliet (34:46.168)
No no,
Raquel Sands (34:58,992)
There are so many people, I think especially in the United States, who suddenly don't give a chance to people who are from other cultures or who don't have the experience, but are willing to learn. So, well, that's like my ally strategy.
Juliet (35:8.504)
No no,
Juliet (35:20.344)
100% I feel that the friends and networks that you build in your personal life are very important to attest to the quality of professional person that you are and can become in a job so yes 100% very agree with that
Raquel Sands (35:42.128)
Yes. And well, I know that we are already on time. One or two more questions and I'll leave you. Do you have any kind of general advice for people who feel lost in their career right now? Suddenly they don't feel 100% on the path they are on and suddenly they don't know what steps to take or how to take risks.
We talked a little bit about boundaries and knowing how to recognize your... that like intuition or your body, how you are feeling, but I don't know if you have any other advice, other general advice. It can be for Latinas or people looking for their way.
Juliet (36:34,936)
Hmm
Well, I find this question very curious because I feel that Sal, the answer I am going to give is an answer that I need to give to myself as well. And it's like... because I feel on that path too, right? It's not like I have everything figured out, but what I feel is necessary to do in the moments where I feel like I'm lost is to return to the center.
Raquel Sands (36:46.448)
Oh.
Raquel Sands (36:53.072)
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Juliet (37:5.946)
and return to those questions of well, what moves me, what brings me happiness and obviously also a little de-idealize work because a job is a job and a job cannot be everything in your life, right? So what work can support a lifestyle for you to have with your family, with your friends, that is worthwhile? Or also, what are the things that move you, that you would like to do?
Raquel Sands (37:19.696)
Yeah.
Raquel Sands (37:28.272)
Yeah.
Juliet (37:35.866)
What matters is then I feel that it is returning to the center, returning to the things that interest you, asking yourself again about who you are from a very sincere place and without expectations.
Raquel Sands (37:41,584)
Yeah.
Raquel Sands (37:49.424)
Without expectations it is so difficult because the truth is and very quickly because I know that we are already finishing, I only remember that they instilled in me the idea of being a doctor or being the best and I don't know how to say it in Spanish but in English it is dissect when one You have to kind of cut the animals and do all that.
and I couldn't do it, so I already knew, ok, this is not my path. I can not. And well, I mean, one already, I think that since I was a child, suddenly, one begins to understand what their... I already knew that I liked reading more and in fact I stayed with that. Not that it was planned, but something about the words, as we were talking at the beginning, called to me. And I think that...
As you say, without expectations for me it is key because we fill ourselves up, I mean I see a lot that one fills up and one is already losing, I feel that it is what fills one or what one is really trying to get out. at this moment suddenly in the moment it is to gain experience and then in another moment it is
orient yourself with people from other cultures so that one can then sort of go looking step by step instead of filling oneself with an expectation that if one does not reach that well x one already fails one is already like that and no well then I loved talking with you today I loved hearing your story the advice
Well, I'm going to put your LinkedIn link or anything else so that if people want to get in touch or see what you're up to, it'll be there.
Juliet (39:53.852)
ha ha ha
Juliet (40:2.524)
Thank you very much Raquel, it has been great to have this conversation with you. Thank you very much for listening. And yes, I’m free to answer if there are questions or to connect and have a chat. Thank you.
